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John Van Stry's avatar

I have known people who have met the original Mary-Sue (I think Dr. Mauser may have met her as well). She was a real person from the PNW, who actually made it into (she was mentioned) one of the 'making of Star Trek' books out there (which was where I first heard of her in the 70's). They talked about the script (fan-fic) she'd written and submitted and the lengths gone to, to make it look professional, and official. I'm guessing that other than the absurd character it was written well enough that it stood out enough that it got mentioned. That and I think she spent a lot of time passing out copies at conventions or some such? I've heard she'd show up in a star fleet uniform.

Prior to 'Mary-Sue' taking over the space, the prior insult was 'Heinlein Hero'. Because his heroes were all such competent people, there was no way they could possible exist!

And then I went to college raised on Heinlein stories and I very much wanted to know how to do 'everything' or as much of it as one man can. I did have the benefit of being raise by parents who were both very competent in multiple disciplines, (for all that neither one went to college). So of course I write my own heroes (and heroines) as being competent people, and either knowing, or learning, many different things.

Therefore I have been accused of writing Mary-Sues (I don't like the 'marty-stu' term, he didn't exist) many, many, times and of course putting myself in my books.

When I look at the characters I've written, it makes me laugh. Yeah, no. No Way. There may be parts of me in more than a few of them, but there's parts of other people I've met or known as well. And some of those people... are definitely not me. Wish fulfillment? Well isn't the goal to write a character to make people wish things were different, that maybe they were different? To please, to motivate, to inspire, and yes, dream?

Darwin A. Garrison's avatar

"Character driven" is not Mary Sue.

Some of what we are must, by necessity, find it into all our characters, hero or villain. This is because what is written comes from our learned experience, whether lived or witnessed.

That said, your fully realized characters grow, fail, learn, and fight on. Their innate formation is borrowed from the you who lives, but that is nowhere near the same as spewing out an inner fantasy upon the page that leads nowhere.

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